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let me slide my tight wet pussy on that big cock all the way down to your balls
let me slide my tight wet pussy on that big cock all the way down to your balls
Oooooh fuck sweetie that was sooooo sexy....I loved watching your cum shoot all over my naughty pictures.....and the pictures of your cock over my pictures was pussy wetting.  I wish I could suck your cock just for your pleasure.  You could cum all over my mouth and face...or in my mouth watching me swallow all of it.  Hon can you email that video to me.  Thanks oh so much.  K
oooooh fuck sweetie that was sooooo sexy....i loved watching your cum shoot all ...
DUDE!!! I'D BE INTO LICKING UP ONE SIDE AND DOWN THE OTHER..THEN I'LL GET UNDER YOU JUST RIGHT.. YOU AIM FOR MY MOUTH..I WANNA FEEL YOU SINK THAT MEATY COCK OF YOURS ALL THE WAY DOWN MY THROAT!!
dude!!! i'd be into licking up one side and down the other..then i'll get under ...
When you're bad I'll spank your smokin' hot ass with my big,thick,rock hard cock until it's red! Then if you're goog I'll cum all over your sexy red ass and rub my warm cum in with the swollen head of my cock to soothe the redness. Wanna try that?
when you're bad i'll spank your smokin' hot ass with my big,thick,rock hard ...
I like it all, its really a hot combination i just wanna take you and use you however i wish...Then get submissive once you suck my second load out of me so lovingly that i can't resist but let you suck me up and give you the cock and tongue however you need it Mrs. or Miss? ;)...
i like it all, its really a hot combination i just wanna take you and use you ...
My I rub the head of my hard cock all over that sexxy nipple...
my i rub the head of my hard cock all over that sexxy nipple...
i would love to watch your wife fuck my man and cum all over him like that while im gagging on your cock :)
i would love to watch your wife fuck my man and cum all over him like that ...
mmmmmmm i want to slide my cock in you n feel your heat  fucking that pussy nice slow strokes till i can't take it then pound that sexy little pussy pull out and cum all over your smooth pretty pussy n sexy tummy
mmmmmmm i want to slide my cock in you n feel your heat fucking that pussy ...
All I can say is that I wanna hug you from behind and squeeze your hot tits tight while my hard cock & balls are gently rubbing against your tight ass and my lips are kissing your neck baby :)
all i can say is that i wanna hug you from behind and squeeze your hot tits ...
I should be there sucking on that sweet cock and eating up all that hot cum.  Mmmmm, cum shooting on a boat ride is delicious.... then we can go swimming naked.  MILF K
i should be there sucking on that sweet cock and eating up all that hot cum. ...
Looks like your cock really exploded. If I was pounding that hot ass, my cock would be so eager to cum I might not be able to pull it out in time to squirt all my hot semen on her back. Great pic.
looks like your cock really exploded. if i was pounding that hot ass, my cock ...
It really all depends on a few things: Who is there? (Just us 3, Us and the Hubby's, or a good sized orgy lol), How long do we have?, assuming they are clean is condoms a must?, and lastly what kind of chicks are they? shy, desperate, naughty, sluts, freak, or super freak lol?...                                                                                                     But in a general answer: Which ever gives the best head and is the best Sub. I would be so ready to bust a nut from them both sucking me over (and again if i had more time id bust a nut in each of there mouths before we started fucking) that i would make steamy passionate love to the first girl not only for being so good but to have her orgasm harder and faster so we could fuck into a pounding as we cream pied together. Whoever didn't suck the best dick would be my cock and ball washer as i took brief pauses for a lil deep throating from fucking girl #1. I would pull out of her and go right into girl #2 as she cleaned up girl #1. When she started to get wet i would stop and feed girl #2 her juices and repeat it a couple times before getting a minute or so of good head then pushing my now clean cock back into girl #1 for a few strokes then feed it to #2 and repeat until girl #1 was cleaned up again then back into #2's pussy. I would put #2 through various stages/styles of fucking from me being Dominant to just being a chill/fun and loving fuck to dominant then a brief submissiness as she rides me to orgasm to stretching out and pounding her pussy to the best of my ability. I would try to cream pie her pussy in a similar fashion to #1, then id know who i WANTED to fuck and who i wanted to suck ;). That is why i asked how much time i had, then maybe stack them up top to bottom and rotate =) or just take a hr break for some party favors and a rewarding bj from them two...But if it was a quickie walk in and take one, id finger them both and fuck the looser one first ;).
it really all depends on a few things: who is there? (just us 3, us and the ...
I'll cheer him up...by taking him on a nice long ride.  Does your cock like rides that will make him all hard and throwing up....I sure hope so.  K
i'll cheer him up...by taking him on a nice long ride. does your cock like ...
wow I would love to eat that and make it all wet before I slide my cock all the way in and fuck it hard
wow i would love to eat that and make it all wet before i slide my cock all the ...
Your Hard BLACK Cock in y Mouth and I assure you that I will SUCK on it and make you CUM... Then to show you how much I enjoyed giving you Oral SEX, I will Gladly SWALLOW all of your warm SEED... YUMMY...
Please make this a REALITY for both of us..

Love and Kisses, Maryann
your hard black cock in y mouth and i assure you that i will suck on it and ...
That is such a beautiful cock...I want to lick it from your balls up to the tip of your cockhead....then swallow it...all.  K
that is such a beautiful cock...i want to lick it from your balls up to the tip ...
very hot i know i wouldn't be able to hold out long  i couldn't take it any longer my balls were full i just let lose with a huge orgasm all over my pumping fist and cock  soooooo much cum omg she is pure erotic sex
love that cute sexy tummy n that bald pussy
very hot i know i wouldn't be able to hold out long i couldn't take it any ...
OMG just seen your sexy big cock on here, what a beautiful big cock you have. I would like to watch you slid all of that into my sexy little wife's willing pussy right up to your balls and fuck her like she has never been fucked before. God it would cum out of her mouth but fuck it would be very sexy for both of us. Want you to ride her bareback and shoot your cum deep into her. Then I would clean her up with my tongue then she would be yours for the rest of the day of night, or even weekend !..
omg just seen your sexy big cock on here, what a beautiful big cock you have. i ...
I can see me nesling my mouth and face into that sweet cock gobbling it all up and swallowing it all.  You could pull my head into you tight and feel your cock going down my throat.  K
i can see me nesling my mouth and face into that sweet cock gobbling it all up ...
G wants to see if you can swallow all of his cock like I do.  Mmmm maybe I could suck on your mans cock while you are sucking on my man.  Oooo that sounds hot.  K and G
g wants to see if you can swallow all of his cock like i do. mmmm maybe i ...
ooooh baby, I'd love the run the he3ad of my cock all over in that cum and use it for lube to fuck your perfect ass!
ooooh baby, i'd love the run the he3ad of my cock all over in that cum and use ...
very much it's a ass lovers dream i could feel that all day and cum just rubbing my cock on it
very much it's a ass lovers dream i could feel that all day and cum just ...
I want to thank you guys and gals from bringing the love to our pics and videos with all the votes and comments!

@FacialMax:  I knew you would.  hehe

@Thicknhard:  Well I am glad you like it.  I enjoy sharing my showing off for the Mr.

@terryleejack:  hehe, Thanks guys!

@Pu55ytamer:  That is a cool compliment.  Thanks you so much.

@jeancock3: That is so cool of you to say. And yes I was having a blast. Not as much as the mister thought, I had his cock dripping. hehe

@sexluvnlust: hehe. Thanks.

@33Iggypop: awww, that is such a sweet comment. Thanks for the kind words.

@readyforadate: Thanks so much!

@dirtyus4u: That's what he said! LOL

~Ms. Twice~
i want to thank you guys and gals from bringing the love to our pics and videos ...
no just the way i'd want you to use for any and all things i want for my pleasure and who i choose to share with ! you are a great beautiful nasty dirty slut for the cock and cum and giving yourself to that and i want all of you for my pleasure !
no just the way i'd want you to use for any and all things i want for my ...
Awesome rigid hard cock breakin out of those sexy panties...if it feels good do it!  But if you are going to do it do it good slide that finger all the way in and make that dick bust a full nut creaming all over the sexy panties...
awesome rigid hard cock breakin out of those sexy panties...if it feels good do ...
That is awesome.  You gotta love seeing a tight, little, wet pussy creaming all over a nice, thick, hard cock as that pussy gets stretched and pounded nice and deep.  
We're not sure who's luckier here, but we know that both of you are loving every second of that hot action.  Amazing pic.
that is awesome. you gotta love seeing a tight, little, wet pussy creaming all ...
Wish that was MY cock!!! Would LOVE to have you suck it all down and then I want to fuck your sweet pussy too!!!
wish that was my cock!!! would love to have you suck it all down and then i ...
Fantastic perfect ass indeed!!  I want to join you for a hot DP!!  Wanting her to ride my thick hard cock while you hit her perfect tight little ass with that magnificent cock doubling her pleasure and all of us cumming so hard...!!
fantastic perfect ass indeed!! i want to join you for a hot dp!! wanting her ...
I would love to suck and fuck that nice, thick cock of yours.  Just the thought of feeling it deep inside of me stretching every nook and cranny of my tight, little, asian kitty has me all warm, wet, and tingly(^_~)
i would love to suck and fuck that nice, thick cock of yours. just the thought ...
Only one thing could improve that view, that would be if my cock were spurting cum all over them.
only one thing could improve that view, that would be if my cock were spurting ...
I soo wanna ride you and cum all over that perfect cock!!!
i soo wanna ride you and cum all over that perfect cock!!!
that arse is perfectly positioned for a second cock to move in and drive deep into her arsehole. DP is the most wonderful feeling for all three isn't it? mmmmmm
that arse is perfectly positioned for a second cock to move in and drive deep ...
That very inviting pussy is such a turn on for me! Bring that pussy to me and i will strech it with my thick and hard cock all the way down to the bottom! Wanna fuck you deep and hard!
that very inviting pussy is such a turn on for me! bring that pussy to me and i ...
Oh how I'd like to awaken such a handsome cock. I wouldn't let all that hot cum go to waste......
oh how i'd like to awaken such a handsome cock. i wouldn't let all that hot cum ...
Hot! All that cum running down that big fat cock! Made me hard, wish your hand were on my rod!
hot! all that cum running down that big fat cock! made me hard, wish your hand ...
would live to be kneeling behind you stroking my cock and cumming all over that beautiful panty covered ass
would live to be kneeling behind you stroking my cock and cumming all over that ...
thats what i want to do while she sucks your cock because i know that her pussy will be all creamed up knowing that she has 2 hard cocks to enjoy
thats what i want to do while she sucks your cock because i know that her pussy ...
Yes, let her feel that thrusting cock, swell and jerk, as its drained of all that  yummy, warm sperm!
yes, let her feel that thrusting cock, swell and jerk, as its drained of all ...
Love to tie you up, tease you all over with my tongue and get that pussy so ready to be stretched by a hard veiny cock
love to tie you up, tease you all over with my tongue and get that pussy so ...
Im only half hour away.  Want to come over and slide that big black cock inside me all the way up to my little belly button wy my bf watches?  I bet I can make my pussy make slurping sounds while I grind on it.  Can you cum allot?  I love getting my belly and tits covered.
im only half hour away. want to come over and slide that big black cock inside ...
Luv to pull out the toy slide in my throbbing hard cock stretching your beautiful wet pussy with its big head, hearing your muffled sounds of pleasure while you suck hubby off, as my finger explores that sweet little tight ass, and all of us cum so hard and out of control!
luv to pull out the toy slide in my throbbing hard cock stretching your ...
mmmmm would lovr to have that cock deep inside my pussy feeling it slide in and out until i squirt all over it
mmmmm would lovr to have that cock deep inside my pussy feeling it slide in and ...
That is so fucking hott.ur pussy look great with that big cock in it .if only I was in your mouth .staring in your eyes n cumming all down your throat!!
that is so fucking hott.ur pussy look great with that big cock in it .if only i ...
Your cock would look great all the way into that pussy, with your balls slapping her body...
your cock would look great all the way into that pussy, with your balls ...
Mmm...gorgeous cock n pussy...would luv to rub my cock all over that cum covered pussy and add one of my huge loads , im right in mass we should def meet up...let mekno asap
mmm...gorgeous cock n pussy...would luv to rub my cock all over that cum ...
love all that cum... please cum on me soon....  in a video so i can watch and hear you jacking off and cumming!  hurry...i can't wait to see that long cock in action...rub the cum all over me when done...thanks
love all that cum... please cum on me soon.... in a video so i can watch and ...
Ooooo, let it ooze out, OMG look at all that sweet cum.  Yes I want some....I want you to cum in my mouth.  I'd love to suck that cock.  Mrs. K
ooooo, let it ooze out, omg look at all that sweet cum. yes i want some....i ...
Man, we do that exact same thing....and between her hands all over my ass, and my eyes all over her cheeks and her pussy, I find it hard to control myself.  
YOUR lady here....with those big soft luscious cheeks showing make my cock throb too!  I'd sure love to be on that bed with you guys watching in person!!  Even joining in...just a little!!
man, we do that exact same thing....and between her hands all over my ass, and ...
oh yes slide my cock into your asshole while i pound your sexy pussy with the biggest toy i can find and after you cum all over that toy i will suck on your creamy clit and pussy lips
oh yes slide my cock into your asshole while i pound your sexy pussy with the ...
Hon, we both love the view, but I must say that your heels are very sexy! They just scream "fuck me!"  Hope you have had luck getting all the cock you want with those.
hon, we both love the view, but i must say that your heels are very sexy! they ...
Love to have her suck my cock just like that!  She can swap between me and hubby all night long
love to have her suck my cock just like that! she can swap between me and ...
Oh fuck...I just had an orgasm....my pussy is all wet.  Thats one fucking hot picture.  Just look at that pussy coated cock.  Oooooo, I could gobble them up.  K
oh fuck...i just had an orgasm....my pussy is all wet. thats one fucking hot ...
I want to thank you all for the votes. They and all comments are much appreciated. Keep them coming, they help us know what to post more of in the future.

@reelis:  You are a naughty, naughty boy.  ;)

@ccm2000: Thank you for dropping some love our way.

@hard1foru: You seem kind of turned on right now. hehe

@mtl: I am yummy.

@zmaj: Well I hope you do, turning you all on is what we are aiming to do. :)

@Captcock: very nice of you to say.

@draxx: I love your emotive comments. haha

@Wayne: Thank you so much!

@terryleejack: You guys are so awesome. Thanks for all the love.

@drifting: Thats what he said... hur, hur.

@cpl4sex: I have both, but thanks for the offer. lol

@Imortal: thanks for the offer.

@scotch: It is definately one of my favorite activities.

@ejblives: very sweet!

@Lixboobs: that seems to be the consensus.

@yung: I am a one cock girl, but thanks for the offer. hehe

@sixtyninr: I am glad he did.

@willy712: you are so sweet.

~Ms. Twice~
i want to thank you all for the votes. they and all comments are much ...
You have a beautiful body!  I would lay you down on that bed and take my hard cock and rub it all over your body, up and down your arms and legs, over your stomach, and of course all around  your breasts, spending extra time on your huge nipples.  Then, I'd move up to your pretty face and rub my big hard cock over your cheeks and forehead, and  then gently over your eyes and nose.  Finally, I'd get to those luscious blowjob lips, where I'd rub my cockhead across them  and uo and down,gently bumping your nose, until I finally spread your mouth and feel the wetness  of thw back of your lips.  Hopefully by now you couldn't resist sucking meand I know, looking into your eyes, I couldn't resist cumming.  I'd love to cum on your face and believe me there would be alot of cum!  Then I'd slide my cock down your body and open you up and fuck you hard.  My favorite thing woyld bw to see you orgasm with my cum on your face!. This would be the beginning of agreat day in bed.
you have a beautiful body! i would lay you down on that bed and take my hard ...
Oooo what I think is very naughty...at what I'd like to do with that nice hot bbc.  Sucking it and riding it would be on my to do list... followed with swallowing all that delicious thick hot cock cream....damn that was nice watching you masturbate and cum... hon I loved it...and my pussy is all wet.  Thanks for submitting this video.  K
oooo what i think is very naughty...at what i'd like to do with that nice hot ...
oh yeah!! she can sit on my face and rub that juicy mature cunny on my mouth so I can tongue fuck her juices from her get her all wet and sloppy for my stiff cock
oh yeah!! she can sit on my face and rub that juicy mature cunny on my mouth so ...
Mrs M loves this. She says what a lovely cum load that looks and would love to have been there to clean that all up for you. She loves to swallow a big load shot straight in the mouth or lick a cummy cock like this clean.
mrs m loves this. she says what a lovely cum load that looks and would love to ...
How about you smear that lipstick all over my cock and balls...
how about you smear that lipstick all over my cock and balls...
I know that feeling....I love sucking cock very much and wish I could get in between your legs and suck that sweet cock of yours and swallow all of your cum.  Or I could turn around, back up and sit on that hard cock and let you fuck my wet pussy deep and hard.  That I know would take care of your wants.  MILF K
i know that feeling....i love sucking cock very much and wish i could get in ...
You're a very sexy and hot gal to have as a friend, hunny. You're sooo nice to offer yourself to suck and milk hard cock like that. Such a delight for you that a guy like him can provide a big cock and his cum for you to taste and swallow. You know where your mouth should be all day. You should be proud.
you're a very sexy and hot gal to have as a friend, hunny. you're sooo nice to ...
Very hot seeing you suck all that nice, thick, hard black cock until he gave you all of that hot, sticky cum.  And watching you suck all of it out of his cock was so hot.  Awesome vid.
very hot seeing you suck all that nice, thick, hard black cock until he gave ...
no man I want to fill bolt that holds up with my cock and then I'll still have plenty of time to come on that guarantees on the guarantee if you can even swallow 1 I'll come to the left nut all over you and then write it down your throat do you like me, I guarantee it
no man i want to fill bolt that holds up with my cock and then i'll still have ...
Want to lick that hot pussy, then fuck her tits and have her suck my cock , and then put my 7.5" - thick - cut cock in her hot pussy and fuck her like a slut needs to be fucked and pull out and cum all over that hot pussy and have my whore wife lick her clean.
want to lick that hot pussy, then fuck her tits and have her suck my cock , and ...
Who wouldn't love to cum all over that nice, thick cock.  I would have to lick it clean and then make him fuck me more, so I could cum all over it again if I were you...
who wouldn't love to cum all over that nice, thick cock. i would have to lick ...
Your pussy is so inviting! Bring that pussy to me and i will stretch it with my thick and hard cock all the way down to the bottom! Wanna fuck you deep and hard!
your pussy is so inviting! bring that pussy to me and i will stretch it with my ...
mmm id love to do that to you but rather lick n suck your gorgeous pussy n asse hole inside out for a few hours first  just to get you cumming in my mouth then id fill you with my very HARD cock and  THEN squirt my hot cum all over you!! xxx mmmm
mmm id love to do that to you but rather lick n suck your gorgeous pussy n asse ...
I would lick on that big cock all night man!
i would lick on that big cock all night man!
love to add some of my cum in that beautiful pussy two sweetie I no I will cum 3 time in that pussy a day it will be so wet and my cock would two with all are cum with each other I want some of you beautiful
love to add some of my cum in that beautiful pussy two sweetie i no i will cum ...
I can tell im going thru these pics with wife and she's starting to pull my cock out and she's sucking me off she just told me she now right now wants to eat some pussy and mabe even a big huge size cock fuck i think i can't view any more im about to cum in her mouth uhh! Uhhh!!! Oh ya dam thank y'all very much i wish i could have recorded her doing it and taking my cum in her mouth! !!! Give us or me a few minutes and ill do it agin i might just go out and get her some strange pussy and i might just call on a black couple that live right here in are complex that's just nasty seeing here fucking and sucking a bbc it just makes me very horny just thinking about it i don't know them but I'm sure he or mabe they won't pass up the chance know there's a video worth uploading
i can tell im going thru these pics with wife and she's starting to pull my ...
Hope you're getting all that black cock that you want.  I would love to see a video of you fucking that thing!!
hope you're getting all that black cock that you want. i would love to see a ...
Exquisite sensuous and hot in every way!  My tongue and lips are winking back no words need to be spoken I know what she wants and I crave what she has and am longing to satisfy her desire in every way!!  Would love to be under her sweet sexy bottom giving her a more than amazing wicked licking while you slide that big cock in her wet pussy blowing her mind being licked and fucked at the same time...feeling that wet cock slide across my tongue on her pulsating pussy as she wraps her sensuous lips around my throbbing cock....words cannot describe the what we are feeling and all of us orgasming just incredibly hot!
exquisite sensuous and hot in every way! my tongue and lips are winking back ...
SOme would be nice, but I would really enjoy getting ALL of that nice, thick, hard cock.  Feeling it stretch ever nook and cranny of tight, asian, kitty would feel amazing(^_~)
some would be nice, but i would really enjoy getting all of that nice, thick, ...
ur getting undressed turned me on. like ur backside and all that hair round ur cock 'n balls.  .
ur getting undressed turned me on. like ur backside and all that hair round ur ...
SO NICE! Would love to suck that cock dry!!! Looks so Beautiful and what a Beautiful Big cock head !!! I would love to feel that between my lips!~ I would suck that beautiful cock dry and eat up all the sperm that you can give me!!! Looks so delish!
so nice! would love to suck that cock dry!!! looks so beautiful and what a ...
I would make love to that cock with my lips everyday all day
i would make love to that cock with my lips everyday all day
Nice cock and body! If I were bi, my hands would be all over you, and I be sucin that cock. But I'm not. So all I could offer is a great hand job, and a hot naked masterbation show on for you and your friends. Either sex. I'm bi/gay friendly.
nice cock and body! if i were bi, my hands would be all over you, and i be ...
Oh yes and it looks amazing...I'd love to open my mouth and catch all that hot cum...I'm sure it tastes amazing too.    Nice strong cock workout. Next time wanna do your strong cock work out in my mouth?  I'd make sure it was worked real good.  G
oh yes and it looks amazing...i'd love to open my mouth and catch all that hot ...
I want to suck all that cum from your hot pussy, then I suck another load from his yummy cock!!
i want to suck all that cum from your hot pussy, then i suck another load from ...
Love to see my wife tongue those balls and shaft all the way to the head of that cock
love to see my wife tongue those balls and shaft all the way to the head of ...
I would slide my cock in and out of that pussy real slow! Until my ball just tapped your sexy asshole! And when iam about to cum! I would pull out my cock and shoot globs and globs of hot cum all over them pretty toes!
i would slide my cock in and out of that pussy real slow! until my ball just ...
That is a beautiful cock....and I'd love eating it and gobbling it all up. Oooo, I wanna suck on that cockhead. I'd love riding it too.
that is a beautiful cock....and i'd love eating it and gobbling it all up. ...
love all your photos dreaming of slipping my hard cock in all your holes thanks for putting anything you can up that fine pussy
love all your photos dreaming of slipping my hard cock in all your holes thanks ...
That is some hot fucking.  What a lucky woman...I know that the juices from my tight, little, asian kitty would be all over that nice, thick, hard, juicy cock(^_~)
that is some hot fucking. what a lucky woman...i know that the juices from my ...
That needs my cock deep making that pussy run all over it whilst ive got them tits in my hands telling u how bad im gonna cum all over u
that needs my cock deep making that pussy run all over it whilst ive got them ...
Beautiful cock,  I want to swallow it...suck it....fuck it....kiss it....play with it....hold it....look at it for a long time....and eat it all the time.  Sucking that sweet gorgeous cock is like needing air to breathe. MILF K
beautiful cock, i want to swallow it...suck it....fuck it....kiss it....play ...
I would probably want to pump mine deep inside your pussy ;). If not I would wanna have you suck me hard and put a rubber on me using your mouth before I used hubby's cum as lubricant as I pushed into your ass and thoroughly enjoyed myself before pulling out as I am leaking precum and jerk my cock into your pussy until I explode carefully oozing my seed all over your pussy. If we did option #2, Taking your tight ass would have me so hard and horny that I would wanna enjoy some naughty relaxation as I come down from my orgasm, So I was hoping maybe you would immediately begin sucking me as I finished cumming or tell me to push my unprotected cock inside you. That might get hubby so hot that he would take over and fuck you to orgasm as we spit roasted you while you deep throated my cock...The possibilities are endless ;).

XoxO

Deep.Throat.Her.
i would probably want to pump mine deep inside your pussy ;). if not i would ...
I'd enjoy playing with your hard cock....I swallow.  Mmmm, that sucker would make your cock very sweet.  Cum on that sucker and I'll lick it clean...your cock too.  I want to empty all of your cum from that wine glass into my mouth.  I'd swallow all of the cum that's in it.  MILF K
i'd enjoy playing with your hard cock....i swallow. mmmm, that sucker would ...